I spend a lot of time addressing women with nasty attitudes towards men, and it's a slippery conversation to hold. It was actually a great deal of fun addressing a man with some nasty attitudes towards women. It's so much easier, going into bat for others.
Women will never be equal to men.
And men will never be equal to women.
Nevertheless, individuals overcome those odds all the time, and I'm in support of folks having that option / choice.
What's your point?
Wow that makes no sense.
The only thing women have going for them is their reproductive value.
There is nothing that a woman can excel at better than a man.
Natural law trumps your "opinion".
Your pages is twaddle.
Oh, James... Thanks for writing, but that's just hilarious.
Is that what you really think?
If I could give you just one thing that women are better at, would you concede that it's not as black and white as you suggest?
There are so many things that women are better at, I'd be delighted to list a couple for you to consider.
Or are you just trolling me?
I will debunk anything you say. Lets make this fun.
List ten things women are better at men.
And don't use the "troll" term again with me.
I live to debunk feminist nonsense with logic.
I have to go watch the sunset on the beach.
Will be back in a minute.
Go ahead....and um...start without me.
Thanks for being clear about the word 'troll'. Won't happen again, and I see that you're genuine.
I will give you ten things, this will be fun. [smile emoticon]
Firstly, I am NOT a feminist. I am passionately NOT a feminist. I believe in equality for all people, regardless of gender. A lot of people that identify as 'feminist' really struggle with what I have to say.
Nor am I a Mens Rights Activist. Like I say, I believe in equality for all.
So, ten things women are better at (noting that these are all horrible generalisations, of course. And that some of these might have a base in biology, but most are due to social conditioning):
1 Articulating their emotions in speech
2 Feeling their emotions in the first place
3 Having multiple orgasms
4 Being able to 'read' a lover's body during sex
5 Having different kinds of orgasms - simple clitoral ones, full-body ones, kundalini ones, g-spot ones, anal...
6 Being able to read body language
7 Craft human-centric solutions to problems
8 Dress up
9 Jointly come together and articulate shared problems
10 Collaborating, generally.
And, purely so that you don't think I'm one sided, here's my opposing list of things that men are sometimes better at. Again, horrible generalisations mostly based on socialisation rather than anything else:
1 Giving over to work
3 Manipulating physical objects
4 Detaching from / ignoring emotions
5 Instigating relationships
6 Instigating sex
7 Earning money
8 Getting ripped apart in public and living to face another day
9 Competing against each other within a capitalist system
10 Accepting what they're told
So, go right ahead and show me this logic you speak of.
Remember, that if it's truly going to show that women are better at nothing, then none of those same logic tricks can apply to the list of stuff that men are better at. Otherwise they disprove themselves.
"1 Articulating their emotions in speech"
Emotions and speech are a womans domain.
"2 Feeling their emotions in the first place"
Both sexes "feel" emotions, a double negative? But women base their decisions on them. The universe runs on logic, not emotion.
"3 Having multiple orgasms"
Most womrn cannot do this, and even fewer still know how to ejaculate. Womens sexuality has been studied excessively in Asia. Women are feelers of the universe. So? This isn't "better". They deal with imbalence of chemicals once a week and shed blood. No thanks.
"4 Being able to 'read' a lover's body during sex"
What does that even mean?
Women listen more than they read. Like reptiles.
"5 Having different kinds of orgasms - simple clitoral ones, full-body ones, kundalini ones, g-spot ones, anal..."
Women have the same orgasms as men. Orgasim corresponds with nerve plexus. They just have different nerve endings brah. Settle down and study anatomy.
Even then, this has something to do with birth, and lessening pain in childbirth.
"6 Being able to read body language"
All forms of life depend on doing it and you do it subconsciously. Women aren't better they just tune in more because emotions suck.
"7 Craft human-centric solutions to problems"
"8 Dress up"
To get a mate. To have children.
"9 Jointly come together and articulate shared problems"
You mean faking orgasims? What are you in high school? Women can be wicked and deceiving and cunning.
"10 Collaborating, generally."
Not that women have ever made any major discoveries. Like scientific.
Any examples of that helping civilization....other than working with others to raise children?
I hope the sunset was nice.
Yes, this is fun. Thanks for your reply.
1. Yes, emotions and speech are a woman's domain. Whether it's through biology or socialisation, it's true.
And since your challenge to me was to come up with anything where women are better than men, then I have already won, on this point alone. Thank you.
2. The universe runs on logic, or more specifically, the laws of physics, yes. I agree.
However, humans don't. Humans are emotional creatures, and logic won't help someone who his hurt, or fearful, or happy, or in any other emotional state. If there are humans involved, then emotions are crucially important. Humans are driven by their emotions; it is illogical.
And yes, both sexes (and other non-binary genders) 'feel' emotions, however women are (on average) far quicker at noticing those emotions, and acting on them.
Which, based on some things you said further down, it's clear you agree with. So again: We have something that women are better at than men.
3. Far more women can have multiple orgasms than men (even though, technically, men are just as capable). So again: This is something women are better at.
4. By "reading a lover's body", I mean the ability to notice how a lover / partner is responding to touch. It's very hard to measure, but it would seem that women might be better than men at this (not because women are fundamentally better, but because it's a larger part of their conditioning).
5. Thank you for the suggestion to study anatomy. I have done so, especially as it relates to orgasms, and especially as it relates to gender differences and similarities.
I am in Australia. I put to you with a great deal of confidence that the average woman in Australia is capable of a far wider variety of orgasms than the average man.
Most men don't know that many of the nerve endings that wind up in a clitoris wind up in the frenulum, and that similar orgasms can be had. Most men don't know that they can have prostate orgasms that for all intents and purposes appear to be extremely similar to g-spot orgasms.
Most men don't know they can have multiple orgasms (whereas a lot of women do, even if they themselves don't have them), and very few men have experienced kundalini orgasms.
Thus, I put to you, that (on average) women are better at a variety of orgasms than men are. I don't know about you, but speaking as one male-identified person to another, I would very much like to reach equality with women on this point alone.
(Note: In the above language, I'm assuming that women have vaginas, and men have a penis and balls. I apologise for this generalisation, and note that many people don't fit this binary. It's very hard to discuss without slipping into language short-cuts, however, so please forgive me).
6. Yes, we all read body language. But a lot of studies show that women are far quicker and more accurate than man. (Again, I think this is just the effects of socialisation, but it's true nevertheless).
7. Whereas men might be more likely to come up with a solution that makes perfect logical sense, women might be more likely to come up with a solution that is likely to be accepted by the people that are required to implement it. Again: Humans respond to emotions more than logic, and women are better at appealing to this than men.
8. It doesn't matter what the purpose is. Women are better than men at it.
It sounds like you agree, and are just stating the reasons why.
9. No, I mean that women are better at coming together about their collective problems; I'm referring to feminism, as the obvious example. Part of the reason the men's movement is so hopelessly small in comparison is because men's socialisation doesn't include much in the way of coming together, sharing, and working together on solutions. Women are much, much, much better at this.
Sit 10 men down in a room and ask them to list their shared problems, and they will basically just freak out and look at you blankly. (Not, however, because they don't have any shared problems...)
Sit 10 women down with the same question, and they will give you a thesis and an action plan, and it will be very articulate.
10. You're referring to a different point. My point wasn't that women are better at scientific discoveries (which may or may not be true; let's do that another time). My point was that women are better at collaborating, since collaborating requires emotional intelligence, communication skills, and the ability to 'read' others in the group.
No, women definitely don't do this all the time, and there are some great examples of men doing this, but my suggestion is that on average, women are better.
Back over to you, my friend. But I have to say, so far I very much feel like I'm winning.
I think part of the problem is that you only want to measure women on men's terms. This is an unfair test; it's like setting a test that says that being tall is better, and then (not surprisingly) failing the short people.
Since you like logic so much, then perhaps this will make sense to you: You can do the same test in reverse. You can make the claim that men will never be as good as women are, and then measure the men in question against things that women are better at. It would infuriate all of the men involved, and it wouldn't prove anything.
I put to you this: Our socialisation favours men in some ways, and women in others. In the background of that, there are probably some fundamental biological truths; but far less than most people think, and in any case, it's still not possible to say which of those are better or worse than any other.
Women are awesome. Men are awesome. None of this tells us anything about any individual person, who may be so far out of the generalisations we've been making above that it's all completely irrelevant.
I believe that each individual person has the right to try their hand at anything - whether it's a woman stepping into business, or a man stepping into family, or whatever else. The odds may be against them, but they may just prove themselves to be far better at it than those around them.
Finally: A person's gender tells us nothing about them. A person might be the most logic-driven or emotions-driven person on the planet, but knowing that wouldn't tell us their gender.
Hope you're doing well.